I wonder of you're veering toward the problem of the demise of higher education in general. The ethics, the ability to do ongoing research for a topic/story, and the ability to articulate one's thoughts with references & without plagiarizing, used to be expected of History, English, etc. majors, too . . . no?
Agreed on the profession being more than casual. I considered myself a professional when I understood not merely my tasks assigned to me, but also understood how my tasks fit into the whole of the product we intended to deliver to customers. I considered what I was doing a skillful expression, almost an art (though I shy away from using "art" too casually, too).
And maybe the fact that Journalism is supposed to result in entering a narrow-ish line of jobs is a factor, too. A History major isn't expected to be a Historian as a job. An English major isn't expected to be an . . . English-ian? Dunno.
I have a Philosophy degree. Am I a mangy Philosopher? Wait, don't answer that! :-D
Enjoying this now-series of articles you're doing on the theme, and the discussion!
Too late for veering. "Education" at all levels is circling the drain, especially in the "public" sector, IMO. Last time I checked, the NE prep school I attended was still crankin' out well-rounded/educated grads - despite the fact it went "co-ed" some years ago! Sadly, the majority opt for the Ivies. What happens 4 yrs later? [Data not available]
"The ethics, the ability to do ongoing research for a topic/story, and the ability to articulate one's thoughts with references & without plagiarizing, used to be expected of History, English, etc. majors, too . . . no?"
Well...there is AI....
Exactly: "used to be" -- altho that ability seemed to be SOP when "we" were younger: "ethics" from parents/family mostly; text book stuff in class - expectations all around. I find myself perpetually more interested in the Why and How than the plaintive proclamation of "WTF is goin' on???" with -0- curiosity about the cause. OTOH, it's provides mental fuel to continue the search!
'bout right. Only old in soul, ethics and/or age still cling to the nearly discarded and always criticized principle of honesty, objectivity and fact when playing "Journalism"! Will be yapping with Bovard on this in the next 2&O.
And you're welcome! It's good to meet one of Our Kind!
I wonder of you're veering toward the problem of the demise of higher education in general. The ethics, the ability to do ongoing research for a topic/story, and the ability to articulate one's thoughts with references & without plagiarizing, used to be expected of History, English, etc. majors, too . . . no?
Agreed on the profession being more than casual. I considered myself a professional when I understood not merely my tasks assigned to me, but also understood how my tasks fit into the whole of the product we intended to deliver to customers. I considered what I was doing a skillful expression, almost an art (though I shy away from using "art" too casually, too).
And maybe the fact that Journalism is supposed to result in entering a narrow-ish line of jobs is a factor, too. A History major isn't expected to be a Historian as a job. An English major isn't expected to be an . . . English-ian? Dunno.
I have a Philosophy degree. Am I a mangy Philosopher? Wait, don't answer that! :-D
Enjoying this now-series of articles you're doing on the theme, and the discussion!
Too late for veering. "Education" at all levels is circling the drain, especially in the "public" sector, IMO. Last time I checked, the NE prep school I attended was still crankin' out well-rounded/educated grads - despite the fact it went "co-ed" some years ago! Sadly, the majority opt for the Ivies. What happens 4 yrs later? [Data not available]
You're old. Me, too (subjective as that may be!)
"The ethics, the ability to do ongoing research for a topic/story, and the ability to articulate one's thoughts with references & without plagiarizing, used to be expected of History, English, etc. majors, too . . . no?"
Well...there is AI....
Exactly: "used to be" -- altho that ability seemed to be SOP when "we" were younger: "ethics" from parents/family mostly; text book stuff in class - expectations all around. I find myself perpetually more interested in the Why and How than the plaintive proclamation of "WTF is goin' on???" with -0- curiosity about the cause. OTOH, it's provides mental fuel to continue the search!
I'm in my late 40s . . . I'm younger than many/most/all? of the news scoundrels you've named :-)
Unless you mean I'm an "old soul," in which case, thank you for the compliment!
'bout right. Only old in soul, ethics and/or age still cling to the nearly discarded and always criticized principle of honesty, objectivity and fact when playing "Journalism"! Will be yapping with Bovard on this in the next 2&O.
And you're welcome! It's good to meet one of Our Kind!
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