I like the monkey tree analogy. very appropriate. I just hope the analogy is true and the monkeys can't just jump to another branch. One thing I haven't seen is not one of the leftists, communists, progressives ever talks about the 37 trillion dollar debt, do these morons think the monkey tree can continue forever? Do they think that waste, fraud, theft and abuse are just fine?
"...jump to another branch..." They can and do change parties to stay in power, so there's that.
"....waste fraud theft and abuse are just fine?". Of course. Why else would "they" permit it to continue? It's "fine" because "they" are the beneficiaries. If you can get a job with age as the only qualification, never show up for work despite having a free office, staff and supplies, tacit permission for insider trading, free platinum-level health ins, a 6-figure salary + expenses AND a most generous retirement program, would you even think seriously about rocking that boat?? If you said Yes, you're too principled and altruistic to get elected.
"In a startling interview, Birch Gold’s Phillip Patrick explains just how unsustainable our nation’s debt and spending are—and what this could mean for nothing less than the possible collapse of the U.S. ‘empire.’
these greedy stupid people are ruining the country
In Seattle, we call it a monkey puzzle or monkey tail tree. It does look prehistoric. Perhaps someday, humans will wake up and realize that all governments are bad as they are made up of men and women.
Thanks and it had better be true, as you point out we are 37 trillion in debt. I'm not sure what any of them have been thinking running up a bill like this, it sure as hell doesn't make me think they care about future generations, no matter how much they might pretend to.
You know that another thing that bugs me, they are constantly jamming crap through to save the world for the kids, but what kind of future do we have being that far in debt? Right now kids are over a hundred grand in debt the day they are born and you used to be able to buy a great house for that, but thanks to these dimwits you can't build a garage for that anymore, but I guess that's OK because we won't be able to afford a car either.
An interesting attribute of Athenian Democracy was ostracism to prevent tyranny. The citizens could vote to exile a politician for ten years. Maybe they could do that with bureaucrats as well.
The politicians, let's say A and B, would have their followers vote to ostracize C. Tyrants, or would be tyrants (A & B), stayed in Athens and caused trouble.
Fraud and corruption by bureaucrats became endemic.
ALL governments are made of men, and men are weak, corrupt, and love power. You can write fancy words on paper but it takes a moral people to make those words come true.
"ALL governments are made of men, and men are weak, corrupt, and love power. You can write fancy words on paper but it takes a moral people to make those words come true."
Conclusion: Since men (and women) are weak, corrupt psychopaths incapable of abiding any morality, eliminate Government. Self-government is the only answer. No Government, know peace.
Brian, I agree. People can come together and agree to abide by certain rules of human conduct (The Ten Commandments is an example, another is Hammurabi's Code of Law.) The trick is in enforcement. "Who will guard the guardians."
Arbitration courts, private and competitive, are agreed upon by the two or more plaintiffs in a contract dispute.
As for violent crime, it comes down to self-defense and vigilante justice in extreme cases. The mob is wrong sometimes (We've all been brainwashed in the government schools by the short story "The Oxbow Incident", but the mob is right more often than not. A criminal will move on or be killed by the mob. This is how San Francisco cleaned up the Barbary Coast. A Vigilante Commission was formed in the business district (all the cops were on the take.) The Vigilantes told the gamblers, thieves, whores, and murderers to get out of the county or be hung. They left the county.
I'm still a big fan of a Jury of your peers, I don't think they need to be approved by the state to work though. Basically if the town folk think you deserve to be banished, executed or forced to pay reparations that's their call, but it would be preferable to hold a vote of some kind after finding out all the details.
A couple friends of mine got gunned down a few years back, it was a vigilante killing or at least mostly.
I guess they ripped off a guy they went into a produce business with, they had the farm and had him put up money for delivery trucks and stuff. I played football with them both, couple of big old bubba's but the nice kind if you know what I mean.
He lost his life savings, he killed them and claimed they were embezzling. He himself found out he was dying of cancer and was pissed that his wife would be homeless and penniless and stuck with bills due to having no health care.
Was it just a shitty business idea and he thought they were stealing, but was wrong? Who knows now. Seemed like a bad idea, when they started the business. I'd buy their produce for the store for years and wonder how they made any money at the price they sold it for and that's when they had anything to sell, which wasn't all that often. Always seemed to keep good records and gave regular receipts, like all the other suppliers, so nothing seemed fishy to me, but who knows.
I guess he also admitted to police that he wanted to go to prison so they would be stuck paying his bills. He blamed them for the bankruptcy laws and thought they should be stuck with the bills and not his wife. I guess that's a kind of justice. He couldn't get anything out of my buddies thanks to bankruptcy laws, so he stuck the state with his medical bill rather than his wife.
I think justice would have been indentured servitude with the wife owning the contract on them until the money is payed back plus interest.
The state gave him an incentive to do it, how's that for ironic.
Brad, The killer of your two Bubba friends, jumped to a lot of conclusions. A case of a disputed contract, like the one you describe, would be handled by an arbitration court judge(s) agreed upon by both parties to the contract. All parties pay their share of the court's fees. All parties agree to the court's decision.
If the killer then goes and kills your two Bubba friends, it is murder.
In that case, the community would vote on what to do with the murderer.
Back in the Old West of the 1800s, juries were very reluctant to convict anyone of a capital crime. Perhaps it was because the townspeople feared retribution from friends and family of the accused or other reasons. Acquittals were common in the Old West. Not today with the rigged trial system in the USA.
I'd support that idea, first stripped of assets, then exiled to the wilds of Alaska would work for me. If they survive for ten years they can come back and get a job at McDonald's, but no government work ever again.
I like the monkey tree analogy. very appropriate. I just hope the analogy is true and the monkeys can't just jump to another branch. One thing I haven't seen is not one of the leftists, communists, progressives ever talks about the 37 trillion dollar debt, do these morons think the monkey tree can continue forever? Do they think that waste, fraud, theft and abuse are just fine?
"...jump to another branch..." They can and do change parties to stay in power, so there's that.
"....waste fraud theft and abuse are just fine?". Of course. Why else would "they" permit it to continue? It's "fine" because "they" are the beneficiaries. If you can get a job with age as the only qualification, never show up for work despite having a free office, staff and supplies, tacit permission for insider trading, free platinum-level health ins, a 6-figure salary + expenses AND a most generous retirement program, would you even think seriously about rocking that boat?? If you said Yes, you're too principled and altruistic to get elected.
"In a startling interview, Birch Gold’s Phillip Patrick explains just how unsustainable our nation’s debt and spending are—and what this could mean for nothing less than the possible collapse of the U.S. ‘empire.’
these greedy stupid people are ruining the country
from here https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/near-the-abyss-w-phillip-patrick?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=676930&post_id=156936529&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=yvlke&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
wilson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucaria_araucana
In Seattle, we call it a monkey puzzle or monkey tail tree. It does look prehistoric. Perhaps someday, humans will wake up and realize that all governments are bad as they are made up of men and women.
Thanks and it had better be true, as you point out we are 37 trillion in debt. I'm not sure what any of them have been thinking running up a bill like this, it sure as hell doesn't make me think they care about future generations, no matter how much they might pretend to.
You know that another thing that bugs me, they are constantly jamming crap through to save the world for the kids, but what kind of future do we have being that far in debt? Right now kids are over a hundred grand in debt the day they are born and you used to be able to buy a great house for that, but thanks to these dimwits you can't build a garage for that anymore, but I guess that's OK because we won't be able to afford a car either.
Exactly so.
All I can say is it's like Christmas every day with all these findings.
And we're just getting started!
For sure.
Here is an article on Ancient Greece's Democracy. The article lists the attributes of the democracy and why it failed:
https://ancientsocieties.net/blog/history/democracy-decline-ancient-greece/
An interesting attribute of Athenian Democracy was ostracism to prevent tyranny. The citizens could vote to exile a politician for ten years. Maybe they could do that with bureaucrats as well.
The politicians, let's say A and B, would have their followers vote to ostracize C. Tyrants, or would be tyrants (A & B), stayed in Athens and caused trouble.
Fraud and corruption by bureaucrats became endemic.
ALL governments are made of men, and men are weak, corrupt, and love power. You can write fancy words on paper but it takes a moral people to make those words come true.
"ALL governments are made of men, and men are weak, corrupt, and love power. You can write fancy words on paper but it takes a moral people to make those words come true."
Conclusion: Since men (and women) are weak, corrupt psychopaths incapable of abiding any morality, eliminate Government. Self-government is the only answer. No Government, know peace.
Brian, I agree. People can come together and agree to abide by certain rules of human conduct (The Ten Commandments is an example, another is Hammurabi's Code of Law.) The trick is in enforcement. "Who will guard the guardians."
Arbitration courts, private and competitive, are agreed upon by the two or more plaintiffs in a contract dispute.
As for violent crime, it comes down to self-defense and vigilante justice in extreme cases. The mob is wrong sometimes (We've all been brainwashed in the government schools by the short story "The Oxbow Incident", but the mob is right more often than not. A criminal will move on or be killed by the mob. This is how San Francisco cleaned up the Barbary Coast. A Vigilante Commission was formed in the business district (all the cops were on the take.) The Vigilantes told the gamblers, thieves, whores, and murderers to get out of the county or be hung. They left the county.
I'm still a big fan of a Jury of your peers, I don't think they need to be approved by the state to work though. Basically if the town folk think you deserve to be banished, executed or forced to pay reparations that's their call, but it would be preferable to hold a vote of some kind after finding out all the details.
A couple friends of mine got gunned down a few years back, it was a vigilante killing or at least mostly.
I guess they ripped off a guy they went into a produce business with, they had the farm and had him put up money for delivery trucks and stuff. I played football with them both, couple of big old bubba's but the nice kind if you know what I mean.
He lost his life savings, he killed them and claimed they were embezzling. He himself found out he was dying of cancer and was pissed that his wife would be homeless and penniless and stuck with bills due to having no health care.
Was it just a shitty business idea and he thought they were stealing, but was wrong? Who knows now. Seemed like a bad idea, when they started the business. I'd buy their produce for the store for years and wonder how they made any money at the price they sold it for and that's when they had anything to sell, which wasn't all that often. Always seemed to keep good records and gave regular receipts, like all the other suppliers, so nothing seemed fishy to me, but who knows.
I guess he also admitted to police that he wanted to go to prison so they would be stuck paying his bills. He blamed them for the bankruptcy laws and thought they should be stuck with the bills and not his wife. I guess that's a kind of justice. He couldn't get anything out of my buddies thanks to bankruptcy laws, so he stuck the state with his medical bill rather than his wife.
I think justice would have been indentured servitude with the wife owning the contract on them until the money is payed back plus interest.
The state gave him an incentive to do it, how's that for ironic.
Brad, The killer of your two Bubba friends, jumped to a lot of conclusions. A case of a disputed contract, like the one you describe, would be handled by an arbitration court judge(s) agreed upon by both parties to the contract. All parties pay their share of the court's fees. All parties agree to the court's decision.
If the killer then goes and kills your two Bubba friends, it is murder.
In that case, the community would vote on what to do with the murderer.
Back in the Old West of the 1800s, juries were very reluctant to convict anyone of a capital crime. Perhaps it was because the townspeople feared retribution from friends and family of the accused or other reasons. Acquittals were common in the Old West. Not today with the rigged trial system in the USA.
I'd support that idea, first stripped of assets, then exiled to the wilds of Alaska would work for me. If they survive for ten years they can come back and get a job at McDonald's, but no government work ever again.
When A Democracy Isn't A Democracy
When they let a foreign government assassinate their president and completely take over their country.
ME